One Day Soon, We’ll All Be “Homegrown Terrorists”
59 Comments »By Giordano Bruno
Neithercorp Press – 04/07/2010
The word “terrorist” has assumed numerous presumptive connotations over the decades, and this trend of “redefining” the vicious label to suit certain governmental needs has only intensified in recent years, especially since 9/11. Its graduation as widely used political terminology gives it an almost archetypal quality, because it has the ability to trigger abundant and subconscious emotional reactions in the populace. However, these reactions are usually based on mass delusions: false ideas of what terrorism is, what it is not, and who is actually guilty of these loosely classified crimes. It is a weighted word, filled with projections, biases, and faulty perceptions.
Governments across the world, and organizations such as the UN, have considered “officially” categorizing what a terrorist actually is, but claim that they have been unable to reach an accord that satisfies everyone. I feel it is much more likely that ruling bodies, most especially the UN, would like nothing better than to keep the specifics of the term as hazy as possible for as long as possible. The more elusive it is, the more powerful it becomes to those elite minorities who wish to retain and centralize political control. While we tend to associate terrorism with Muslim extremism, because this is the image we have been force-fed for the past ten years, that association can just as easily be swayed or redirected to someone else depending on which person or people become most obstructive to the government’s immediate desires. At bottom, under the current cultural climate, anyone can be labeled a terrorist for any reason, even American Citizens liable for nothing more than exercising their Constitutional rights.
As our country spirals towards certain monetary derailment, scathing discontentment with the establishment is sure to arise. When trusted leadership betrays, when criminality becomes a political guideline, when the corrupt loot the world, burning the people alive in their ever expanding grip, invariably, defiance is born. The Globalists know this well. They have seen it time and again, and have learned from past mistakes. Instead of immediately attempting to crush this opposition of individualists, the Elites now preempt violence with “false cultural identification”; the public demonization of those who would inevitably rebel BEFORE they even do so, much like a murderer who admonishes his future victims for wanting to defend themselves. The wise man would find this tactic absurd, or insane, but wisdom is in short supply these days.
In this article, we will explore the steps that the Elites are taking to prime the masses for the label we will soon be hearing daily; “Homegrown Terrorist”. We will also take a look at the organizations and think tanks that manufacture this propaganda and mold it for public consumption…
Hutaree, And Pavlov’s Dog
Though the “Hutaree Militia” and their arrest have been widely publicized in the media, and the MSM has all but sentenced them as guilty in the eyes of the nation before a trial has even begun, I will retain judgment until all the facts are in. The incident has all the characteristics of a “Trojan Horse” disinformation maneuver, in which groups who oppose the government are infiltrated by men posing as members. A common occurrence in the 60’s and 70’s during the anti-Vietnam War movement, these federal moles would then purposely lure groups into illegal acts, or frame them outright. The main goal of this tactic is to topple the moral high ground that the challenging movement stands on, making them appear as corrupt as the governments they defend against. However, the manipulation goes much further.
Whether or not the Hutaree are actually guilty of the crimes they have been accused is really not the most relevant issue. What is relevant, are the false associations and connections made by the MSM in an attempt to not only demonize the Hutaree, but the entire Liberty Movement along with them.
While it is not uncommon for the globalist-controlled media to attack the Liberty Movement, the widespread anger over the recent passing of Obama’s unconstitutional health care bill and the Hutaree incident have opened certain doors for exploitation. The news is now awash in anti-patriot misinformation. Here are a few of the most prominent falsehoods being presented:
1) The Liberty Movement Is An Extremist Right Wing Element?: It may be a bit cliché to say, but people really do fear what they don’t understand. Half of the American populace have absolutely no clue what the “Right Wing” is, let alone what a “Right Wing Extremist” is. During the presidency of George W. Bush, the Liberty Movement railed against the Republican Party for tripling the size of federal government, for going to war in Iraq on false pretenses, for refusing to allow a truly independent investigation of 9/11 despite numerous inconsistencies and scientifically erroneous evidence in the official reports, and for illegal expansion of domestic wire tapping and spy programs against American citizens, including FISA, not to mention the Patriot Act and PDD 51, which give the executive branch legal authority to assume full control over the functions of government without checks and balances under any circumstance they see fit. In response, the MSM and others called us “liberal fanatics” and “communists”. Only a few years later, they now have the audacity to label us “right wing extremists”, as we call out the Obama Administration for supporting the exact same policies as Bush. The Time Magazine article below illustrates this well:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1976308,00.html?xid=rss-fullnation-yahoo
Many Americans do not comprehend the position of the Liberty Movement because they are still trapped in the fabricated world of the false “left / right” paradigm. The leadership of both parties, Democrat and Republican, are under the influence of the same corporate globalist interests, and this is evident in the fact they support nearly identical executive legislative actions that erode civil liberties and U.S. sovereignty. The illusion of the Left and Right is not substantiated by fact, but by the theater of media. Barack Obama’s rhetoric, for instance, has never matched his actions, and few if any of his campaign promises to end Bush-era injustices have been fulfilled.
As a country, we must stop living in the fantasy world of celebrity politics, a world in which what people say is more important than what they really do. This is where the Liberty Movement exists; in the plane between the phony realities of Left and Right, where “taking sides” is meaningless, where the only thing that is important is what is TRUE, and what is dishonest.
The attempt by the media today to brand us as “Right Wing” is merely a ruse to associate us with the much hated Neo-Con ideology (which is really socialist), and to continue perpetuating the lie of the current two party apparatus. In this way, they can marginalize us as a fringe element of a fake party, an element that people can be made to dread, instead of the birth of a new third party, which is what we really are.
2) The Liberty Movement’s Anger Over The Health Care Debate Makes Us “Dangerous”?: Last year, Neithercorp reported on the developments surrounding Obamacare and our personal belief that not only was the bill not practical, but that it was not meant to work at all:
http://neithercorp.us/npress/?p=92
‘ObamaCare’ will not come to fruition, for many reasons, but most of all because the U.S. is beyond indebted. The costs involved in nationalizing health care are enormous. The sales of U.S. treasury debt to foreign banks have plummeted over the past year, and they will continue to do so. Like Greece to the tenth power, America is on the verge of sovereign debt default. The government and the private Federal Reserve’s only recourse has been to create massive amounts of currency out of thin air to cover the mushrooming expense of keeping the economy afloat. Without the constant injections of liquidity into treasuries, our government would no longer be able to operate. Very soon, these injections will inflate the money supply to levels which will destroy our currency, throwing the financial system into chaos. And, in the midst of all this, the Obama administration decides to increase our budget deficit to record levels and introduce socialized health care? Of course people are angry! It is my suspicion, however, that this was the goal all along.
ObamaCare can be used to create intense divisions in the citizenry, as well as distract us from the economy. It can also be used to redirect the debate over expansion of government power. By introducing ObamaCare, the elites change the dynamic of the argument. Before, the contention was that the government’s size was unsustainable and would bankrupt the nation. Now, the argument is over the ethics of leaving people without healthcare, and the “necessity” of large government in supplying that care. The debate morphed from a clean cut examination of what we could afford, into a foggy morality play in which those who oppose government expansion are “uncaring”, “greedy”, or perhaps “evil”. The article below alludes to such accusations:
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/04/01/americas-season-of-rage-and-fear/
The message here is that proponents of private healthcare are “overreacting” to the legislation. Arguments that Obamacare is no more insidious than Medicare are highly disingenuous. Medicare is government ASSISTED health care, not government CONTROLLED health care. There is a very big difference, one which we refuse to ignore.
The Liberty Movement’s position on any issue has always been; do we have the money, and does the Constitution allow it? While it is unfortunate that the poor (I have been one of them) cannot afford health insurance, the cold hard reality is that we do not have the savings to fund collectivist healthcare, nor does the Constitution allow for government to dominate the healthcare industry, or force people to buy insurance they don’t want. This is not about little orphan Annie who needs a kidney transplant. Obama couldn’t care less. This is about putting those who call for smaller government in the position of being the “bad guy”, as well as making Federal influence over our private lives that much easier. The goal is to paint the movement as unfeeling, and without compassion, thus making it easier for the average American to see us as “terrorists” in the near future.
3) The Liberty Movement Is Driven By Racism?: This has to be my favorite disinfo talking point, mainly because of its blatancy. There was a time when all propaganda was so straight forward, simple, and shameless. Below is a Time Magazine article which is obviously trying to connect Constitutionalists and militias with racism and white power organizations:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1198895,00.html?iid=sphere-inline-sidebar
This tactic does not need much explaining. First, I’ve been going to the Tea Parties for years, long before they were co-opted by Fox News, and I can say from firsthand experience that the Liberty Movement is composed of people from all racial, religious and political backgrounds. Many militias are also organized the same way.
The fact that the movement is fully opposed to illegal immigration is often used by the establishment to draw more false associations. The connection to which they allude is that since we are against illegal immigration, we are against all immigrants, especially Hispanic immigrants. This is nonsensical. We are against illegal immigration, for one, because it is ILLEGAL. I am not sure what is so complicated about this concept, but for some people, especially those who place themselves on the left end of our fake political spectrum, it is difficult to comprehend.
There are in fact legal channels one can take to immigrate to the U.S., as there are for any other country. If an American wishes to immigrate to Canada, he does not simply skip across the border and declare it so. He must follow legal guidelines, or be deported. This does not make Canadians biased against Americans, it makes them rational. If millions of us decided to lumber into Quebec and begin collecting on government programs that we never paid into, it would throw their entire economy into disarray. If we all offered our services to employers there at discount prices under the table, it would destroy their jobs market. It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with what makes sense.
This is why polls show that a large percentage of minorities in the U.S. are also against illegal immigration, not just whites:
The purpose behind the racist label is evident. No one likes a racist, especially not a militant racist. The tactic is designed to plant assumptions in the minds of those unaware of the facts, especially Democrats, so that when a Liberty Movement representative engages them in discussion, they will automatically refuse to listen, regardless of how reasonable that representative may be. The blunt nature of the method reveals how desperate globalists are to keep as many Democrats as possible from joining the movement.
4) People Who Spread Liberty Movement Information Are As Threatening As Those In Militias?: The sudden push on the part of the current administration for the institution of the Fairness Doctrine is no fluke. It is also even less of a fluke that they are attempting to apply the Fairness Doctrine to the internet.
The Fairness Doctrine accomplishes two things for the establishment: First, it forces all media to define themselves as either Left, or Right, and then balances them accordingly, meaning all media would be strong armed into playing out the false paradigm forever, neither side ever changing or gaining an advantage. Second, it allows government to dictate what acceptable political discussion is and shut down those that stray from their guidelines. If the Fairness Doctrine were to be applied, it would not affect those gatekeeper news outlets that play the paradigm game; Fox, MSNBC, CNN, etc. In reality, the only news sources that would be dealt a drastic blow would be those that straddle the line between left and right, or that deny the paradigm altogether; Liberty Movement sources.
I have noticed that this development has occurred in tandem with another more subtle strategy. While government moves to gain more influence over what news providers are allowed to operate, the MSM has moved to infer that Liberty Movement news sources are “instigating” violence, simply because they exist. While most of us are aware of the attempts to connect Alex Jones and his Infowars radio show with any violent gunman that happens to stumble out of the woodwork, there has also been an endeavor to link all Constitutionally based websites and radio with “extremist behavior”, as the below article shows:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,982895,00.html
All societies that are advancing towards fascism begin by singling out certain ideas as “dangerous” to the greater good. The very fabric of American life is centered on the protection of ideas, regardless of their origin. We do not prosecute people for their beliefs, no matter how much we might disagree. This is beginning to change though, and one can feel it in the air. The MSM is now producing a low droning hum of propaganda aimed at accusing liberty based news as accomplices in “extremist crime”. As if the general disenchantment and opposition to collectivist government would somehow disappear if we were not here to write our views and report on the facts.
The above list of establishment talking points demonstrates a discernable pattern. This pattern is engineered around the concept of “conditioning”. Like Pavlov’s dog, Americans are being prepared mentally to react to certain bells and whistles in a way that serves Elitist interests. In this case, instead of salivating every time they hear the words “militia”, “truth movement”, “patriot”, “Liberty Movement”, “Constitutionalism”, etc, they are meant to think “Hutaree”, they are meant to think “homegrown terrorist”. Of course, unlike Pavlov’s dog, human beings cannot be conditioned if they are aware, and they can even break their own conditioning if given the opportunity. This is why we are pummeled daily with a constant barrage of misinformation, so that we never get a chance to open our eyes and see who is hitting us. So, who is hitting us…?
The ADL And SPLC: Propaganda Machines Extraordinaire
Whenever you see a news story on almost any mainstream news channel, or read one in almost any newspaper dealing with the Liberty Movement and parallel movements, the chances are very high that the ADL (Anti Defamation League) or the SPLC (Southern Poverty Law Center) had a hand in it.
The ADL was founded in 1913 (coincidentally, the same year as the private Federal Reserve), and poses as a sort of civil rights group and non-profit corporation. In truth, it is a multifaceted propaganda arm for globalists, much like the Council on Foreign Relations, which has been involved in, and implicated in, domestic spying as well as other illegal activities.
In 1993, the ADL was caught red handed employing spies like Roy Bullock, who infiltrated organizations ranging from the White Aryan Resistance, to the NAACP and Greenpeace. Interestingly, they were also caught spying on other anti-discrimination groups, such as the Arab-American Anti-Discrimination Committee:
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1993-04-09/news/1993099283_1_anti-defamation-league-adl-san-francisco
These spies compiled dossiers on thousands of American citizens and hundreds of non-violent groups. In the mid-80’s, they also terrorized certain peaceful assemblies for nothing more than free-speech. A method they are now applying to us.
Because the ADL is organized around the Jewish fraternal order of B’nai B’rith, some people make the mistake of assuming that they are a purely Israeli construct, however, they are actually a tool for Elitist activities, not just Israeli, and alphabet agencies such as the FBI and the CIA collude with them constantly. In fact, the government has only supported the ADL more since they were exposed in 1993, and the MSM reports their skewed statistics and baseless opinions as undeniable fact.
http://www.adl.org/learn/adl_law_enforcement/default.htm
When interviewed by the MSM, ADL and SPLC representatives are rarely challenged by their interviewers on any issue, and an interviewee with an opposing viewpoint is almost never present. When they are present, the “journalist” and the SPLC/ADL representative attack them maliciously, using dishonest Alinsky Tactics, such as attempting to keep the person from speaking, or attacking the person’s character instead of addressing the information he presents. A good example is this interview on MSNBC with Chris Mathews and director of the SPLC, Mark Potok against Stewart Rhodes of Oath Keepers:
Oath Keepers is an organization of military and police members who are openly re-stating their support for the Constitution, over the shifting of government mandates, as all people in the armed forces are supposed to do. Yes, they must truly be a menace…
Notice that Potok and Matthews immediately generalize and dismiss every one of the Oath Keeper concerns on government as “dark conspiracy theory” without actually providing any tangible reasoning to support their claims, nor providing Rhodes any real opportunity to counter their accusations.The “conspiracy theory” redirection relies on an ignorant public, unaware of the numerous facts and evidence that support the Liberty Movement view. The ADL and SPLC hope that you and your family will take them at their word, instead of investigating the truth for yourself. That the term “conspiracy theory” will trigger a Pavlov’s dog reaction, a knee-jerk response that causes your mind to immediately close. They also commonly use terms like “white supremacist”, “
When reason is applied, and research is undertaken, Mark Potok’s arguments appear juvenile and lazy. The government’s own legislation is what created the Liberty Movement’s concern over martial law and loss of Constitutional freedoms. This legislation includes those mentioned above, like the Patriot Act and PDD 51, along with the Civilian Inmate Labor Program, and new legislation drafted by Republican, John McCain, and Democrat, Joe Lieberman (another example of the fake left/right working together), called the “Enemy Belligerents Act”:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s111-3081
This new act allows, among other things, for the treatment of U.S. citizens who dissent as enemy combatants, for the indefinite detention of these citizens without trial, and to be held under military jurisdiction. It also allows for “enhanced interrogation techniques”, i.e. torture.
Bills like this are introduced to Congress yearly, and yet I have to watch Mark Potok on MSNBC call my concerns and the Liberty Movement’s concerns “conspiracy theory”?
When We Are All Homegrown Terrorists…
Anyone who can’t see where all this is leading would have to be cognitively impaired. I, for example, am just a writer, but under the broad definitions laid out in government legislation, I could easily be considered a threat to national security. Could my articles not inspire resentment in someone? Could the facts I present not instill a need for “dissent”, or even self defense in the event that the establishment does institute martial law? What about people who aren’t writers, but regular Americans who happen to speak openly about their suspicions of where the country is heading? Are they “enemy belligerents” and combatants?
If the ADL and the SPLC had existed in the early days of the American Independence Movement, before a shot was ever fired, they would have called men like John Adams and Thomas Jefferson “terrorists”, good men, who only wanted to be free. There is little difference between our situation then, and our situation now, except that the terminology has changed, and indeed, we know even more about who we are fighting.
While being categorized as a homegrown terrorist may be a frightening prospect, what other people are led to believe about us is not so important. What is important is that we do not start to believe it ourselves. That we are not made to feel guilty for wanting to determine our own destinies, for wanting to keep government out of our lives and our children’s lives. We are not the instigators of this conflict, we are not the antagonists of this story. In the end, we are the deciders of this conflict. We are the authors of this story.
It is possible we will soon see an acceleration of our own malignment over the coming year. We will be ridiculed, condemned, and perhaps some of us even incarcerated. Violent attacks against innocent Americans will likely be carried out, some by real and misguided people, some engineered by government. We cannot allow these acts to be forced upon us as implied persona. We cannot allow others to speak for us, because others are unlikely to speak the truth. And most crucial of all, we cannot ever be afraid to speak for ourselves. The ultimate triumph for the Elites would be our silence.
Affirm your freedoms as an unbound man, cut the air, forceful and clear, let the world listen, and never stop.
To learn more about propaganda techniques, check out our recent article: Disinformation Tactics: The Methods Used To Keep You In The Dark.
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Very good article. Too bad that TPTB are able to exploit the naivety of the public when it comes to understanding what liberty and freedom is all about. If they public only understood one simple idea it would be enough. That is it is in everyones best interest to be free to state their opinion and question whatever the government does. In short, be aware of the constitution and be prepared to openly defend it.
Gio Thank you for setting the example of speaking your mind openly.
I am uncertain if your very detailed veiw of the situation increased peoples fear or strengthed their resolve?
I understand you need to present the problem so we can solve it.
I would appreciate a higher percentage of SOLUTIONS in such a shocking article that could actually backfire; sepreating instead of uniting.
Maybe I have been overseas for too many years, and your readers automatically recall Thomas Paine’s approach: “Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.”
Is it possible to point out that most of our Founding Fathers could easily be persecuted/prosecuted in todays atmosphere?
I was hoping after “Survive anything: Chaptter 1..” you would follow with How to survive psychological warfare.”
May I suggest:
The Art and Science of Psychological Operations: Case Studies of Military Application. In two volumes (DA PAM 525-7-1; 525-7-2).
Around pages 432+ (sorry, the book isn’t in front of me now) are detailed strategies and methods (including Pavlov) of PSY OPS aimed at breaking the cohesivenss of a society/organization.
Most importantly there is an explanations of how a society that is dedicated and unitied common core values IS THE BEST RESISTANCE to the manipulation tactics of fear.
As well, Eckharte Tolle’s book ‘the new earth’ explains how Jesus and the greatest people thru history were able to withstand the onslaught of the fear machine.
I hope this adds to the solutions we are all responsible to bring to the table of an Enduring America.
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I love your stuff.
That McCain Bill in section 5:
“An individual, including a citizen of the United States, determined to be an unprivileged enemy belligerent under section 3(c)(2) in a manner which satisfies Article 5 of the Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War may be detained without criminal charges and without trial for the duration of hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners in which the individual has engaged, or which the individual has purposely and materially supported, consistent with the law of war and any authorization for the use of military force provided by Congress pertaining to such hostilities.”
This, to me, seems very threatening. I brought this up in ICH comment section (which I rarely go to) and also mentioned that N.Pelosi and Patty Murray both had threats on their lives. I in no way agreed with this but said something like there are thousands who are feeling the anger as those that make outward threats. My comment was taken off their board.
I included McCains bill.
Its getting so you cannot even talk about this or you get associated as a possible terrorist or “extremist”.
The fact is, Pelosi and people like her that are voting to pass restrictions on people’s liberties, forcing healthcare, passing legislation for funding new weapons programs, funding Israel militarism and such, are the ones who are a bigger threat. We have no way to stop this, because voting doesn’t work.
I still like the U-Cube thing that a bunch of Unemployed people started. I think this might be a way for people to organize effectively. The problem is organizing. Whenever people form legitimate organizing bodies, they are infiltrated (like the Anti-war Quaker group in California a few years ago) and then it just becomes a controlled opposition. (kind of like what has happened to tea party).
The U-Cube might be a way to get around such infiltration. I’m not sure. Here is a short article on it with appropriate links if anyone is interested.
http://www.americanpendulum.com/2010/03/ucubes-power-blocks-of-unemployed-activists-growin/
correction:
I meant that the U-Cubes might be used for other organizational efforts, not just for unemployment lobbying.
Gio,
Amen brother! Another masterpiece. I read the time article you referenced as well as the “Enemy Belligerent Act,” and I must say that this is some scary stuff we are dealing with. The propaganda and control mechanisms of the establishment are really grasping at straws here. That Time article was some of the sloppiest, dishonest and biased “journalism” I have ever come across–I’m pretty sure it perfectly demonstrated every one of the falsehoods you discussed in the above article.
The Enemy Belligerents Act is just plain scary–basically like steroids for the Patriot Act. If we weren’t quite sure who a potential homegrown terrorist might be, we now know that EVERYONE is a potential terrorist:
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(2) CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION OF INDIVIDUALS AS HIGH-VALUE DETAINEES- The regulations required by this subsection shall include criteria for designating an individual as a high-value detainee based on the following:
(A) The potential threat the individual poses for an attack on civilians or civilian facilities within the United States or upon United States citizens or United States civilian facilities abroad at the time of capture or when coming under the custody or control of the United States.
(B) The potential threat the individual poses to United States military personnel or United States military facilities at the time of capture or when coming under the custody or control of the United States.
(C) The potential intelligence value of the individual.
(D) Membership in al Qaeda or in a terrorist group affiliated with al Qaeda.
(E) Such other matters as the President considers appropriate.
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How classically vague is this?? WTF!! “Such other matters as the President considers appropriate.” If the dictator decides that your political speech classifies you as an enemy belligerent then guess what, the U.S. Constitution no longer applies to you! You are now, according to the wording of this bill, an “unprivileged enemy belligerent.” Sorry, off to the labor camp you go for your re-education.
Again, I am reposting this excellent article on my blog space at WordPress.
The time HAS come to take sides. OUR own side. That of liberty.
And yes, it is important NOT to feel guilty or selfish for wanting what we see fit for our happiness.
It is the “for the good of all” mentality that keeps good people looking at their shoes instead of into the face of world.
I for one, will not be keeping my head down. But I have been called a dumb ass, so there is that.
Thanks for the excellent, uplifting post.-
Lester
“Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue till they have resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they suppress.” – Frederick Douglas – (terrorist?)
Thank you Lester,
Excellent quote!
Good explaination of how Communist just walked right in and took advantage of mentally weary countries after years under the Nazis. Then thru continues ‘keep the masses in fear’ tactics were able to carry on for another 40 years.
Limited physical force was needed since the people were desperate for structure and ‘security’.
May be old news to some, but the template seems blatantly obvious.
It is ironic that the zionists of the 1930′s first applied the term terrorism to the actions of the Irgun and Hagganah in British controlled Palestine.
In the American Revolutionary period the Patriots never had more than about a 1/3 of the people in their cause. Another 1/3 were neutral and the last 1/3 were the the Loyalists who retained allegiance to the British Crown.
In the coming chaos the neutrals will get eaten up by the antagonists. This has been going on since the first Civil War, when there was the Union and the Confederacy.
It is important to put a fitting name on both sides of the opposition. These are less genteel times. The terms Loyalist or Union does not fit the maintenance of the status quo, nor does Patriot or Confederate the rebel faction.
Here the rebels or usurpers are actually in the Federal Government itself. They are the ones who are breaking the compact with the people, known as the US Constitution, with the citizens, we the people.
So let us keep the terms simple. The people are the Citizens, the actual government of the US. Everyone else who says this is not so, or that this is terrorism must be guilty of usurpation against the people, or treason. They are the Traitors.
There is no terrorism save what is done by governments under false flag. There are no terrorists. Reject that zionist terminology. Refuse to recognize it. Banish it from your vocabulary as jabberwocky.
There are only Citizens and Traitors.
There is an appropriate, long established method of dealing with Traitors.
Exercise it, Citizens.
It started with the term “rednecks” and it just keeps growing, the entire white race is being painted as the enemy of the good people that believe whatever the global elite/government tells them.
Call them by their correct name. Get over to http://www.subvertednation.net/about-2/
and see just who these so called “globalists” are. It’s been an age old battle. It won’t end until people connect the dots and open their eyes.
Excellent article.
If you lied this, you’ll also like William Norman Grigg’s article “Resistance”
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2010/03/resistance.html
GREAT post here defining the Patriot Act and its ability to impose martial law on the country. Obama has consistently mislead American’s about his intentions, one lie after another. Thanks for the post.
I’ve watched this discourse from many sides. I’ve seen the corporate powers twist the truth, and take control of the conversation. It saddens me, that so many people follow the corporate line, on both sides. Unfortunately, There is far more astro-turf, than grassroots, in both the teaparty, and the government. I’ve learned how to decypher the following terms, when I see them in the media:
Freedom (for corporations)
Liberty (for corporations)
Prosperity (for corporations)
America (for corporations)
Government no longer has any interest in serving anyone but the corporations that own it. Anything you see, in any form of media, is designed to further strengthen that hold.
The solution, does not involve protests, guns, television, or signs. It’s so utterly simple, that it’s painful:
Starve them. Buy nothing, from multi-national corporations whatsoever. Pull money from multi-national banks, close out all of your debt, and starve them. Purchase only from organizations that you can trace back to your local area. Perform research, on where think-tank funding is coming from. Did you know, that Americans for Prosperity was co-founded by David Koch, principal of Koch Industries? Koch industries is the largest single corporation on the planet. I sense who’s prosperity he’s concerned with. Question what you are told. Does it make sense?
5 years ago, we were told those “camps” were for liberals, non-christians, gays, and other “non-conformist” once the right-wing had taken over. Now, they’re saying that those camps are for “true patriots” and Christians. It’s all about amassing more power for corporations, pure and simple.
Think, open your eyes. Don’t give corporations any more control over the lives of men
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I’m mostly a ‘lurker’ here ~ but have appreciated reading this website ~ for about the last 3 months.
Some thoughts I had this week ~ seemed like they might fit in with this subject.
Never even thought about the pledge until last night ~ and what I’ve seen on a brief surf of the web ~ is very concerning. The roots are things likie socialism, freemasonry, knights of columbus, and other groups of which I am suspicious are unsavory.
I always thought requireing the pledge in school and other government functions ~ was a good thing. Now I’m thinking I wouldn’t dare say it again ~ and especially if anything else gets added too. But failing to say it ~ will even now get you labelled as unamerican. You can be forced to take the pledge ~ or suffer the consequences. And the roots which I’ve found are also with nazism ~ well, that’s just eerie.
For some reason I also thought about the word justice, in it. And how justice is represented by scales.
Hope I’m off base here ~ but the similiarities I’m seeing with Germany’s path ~ and what is happening to our country today ~ have really given me food for thought. These are new ideas for me ~ so I’m still chewing on them.
You know ~ the Bible does mention some things as being ‘first for the Jew, then for the gentile’.
Maybe there are things the Church, and Christians ~ can learn from understanding what happened precedeing and during the holocaust. The history of that which my education is sadly lacking. In school, much to my regret ~ I had no interest in learning history. But I think it would be a good idea and try to study it a bit more.
RoseAgain
Gio,would appreciate your opinion on this matter.On the subject with getting out of Dodge at the 11th hour,rumour has it that “the powers that be” have the ability, thru satellite technology, to deactivate the newer cars.This is done thru a computer chip installed in the later model cars.Maybe this is fear mongering, but if there is any element of truth to this fact,alot of us are cooked.Most of us have to stay in Dodge, because of economic reasons,until we can see the storm clouds.If the cars are capput, how do you kids etc out.Besides you can’t go riding out of town on a 10 speed with a rifle strapped to your back.Anyhow, my point is that without a car and other people to answer for,it’s next to impossible to get out of Dodge. Thanx
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a great article, but i will take exception to the “illegal” immigrant issue. believing in liberty means believing in it for everyone! free people should be able to travel freely to better their lives, not having to ask permission or respect imaginary lines on a map made up by the very elites you are resisting! this is another way they attempt to control us. let freedom reign for all!!
Snakeman:
It would be nice if we didn’t have to worry about lines on a map. Unfortunately, those “imaginary” lines are what help retain our national sovereignty. That is why the Globalists are trying to erase them, so that sovereignty disappears, and that is why they are so keen on promoting illegal immigration here. Doing nothing about it only hurts the cause of freedom by furthering globalism.
Erasing borders does NOT make people free.
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It really amazes me how we Americans really believe we are “free.” We are educated to believe that We The People are the Sovereigns, i.e. Kings and Queens so to speak and our congress and legislature critters are our “public servants.” I have a question to ask: Since when can a servant tell a Sovereign what he or she can do or not do? Our “servants” in govt. can and do.A good example is the obamacare bill. Even though the vast majority of We The People were hotly against it congress shot us the finger and passed it any way and knowing their jobs were on the line, now thats CONTEMPT and us “sovereigns” are forced to live with it, like it or not. Now do you still think our “reps” are “public servants?”
I have a better idea who’s time has come.
We The People need to call for a Constitutional convention to amend our Constitutions, federal and state and abolish congress and state legislatures and replace these entities with one short sentence: “DO NO MAN OR WOMAN HARM IN THEIR PERSON OR PROPERTY.” This would be the “law of the land,” no other except for the existing laws for criminal acts. Notice that the above phrase encompasses “personal responsibility” for all one says and does in his/hers interactions with others.To support this system one more thing needs to be done. Abolish the present American legal system and institute “Common Law” where randomly picked citizens act as jurors in all civil disputes and criminal cases and the local Sheriff is the top enforcement officer for keeping the peace. No more judges or expensive lawyers to contend with. Litigants would truly enjoy the full benefits of their constitutional rights without bias for the exercise thereof.
This folks is real and true freedom, not just a cliche and a system of govt. we can be proud of. We would truly be the envy of the whole world and the phrase “God Bless the USA” would once again have real meaning.
I rest my case for true self governance. God Bless.
Robb: I wouldn’t worry too much about disabled vehicles. There is no Dodge to get out of…the entire country is now a giant FEMA camp since the Census GPSed every home in AmeriKKKa. It would be much better to know your neighbors and the local police. For example, my neighbors are complete scumbags who can’t be trusted an inch, so they’re furniture…just in the way.
a great article, but i will take exception to the “illegal” immigrant issue. believing in liberty means believing in it for everyone! free people should be able to travel freely to better their lives, not having to ask permission or respect imaginary lines on a map made up by the very elites you are resisting! this is another way they attempt to control us. let freedom reign for all!!
BULL! The best example is a tiny nation of Ireland with roughly only 6 million people. If 20 million people from China were allowed to immigrate to Ireland, then in short order there would be no Ireland. The Irish would see their own nation, culture and identity subverted by a foreign entity, because they simply would not have the political power to preserve their own heritage and customs. That is genocide. It is anything but liberty, and in reality is oppression. You have a very warped view of liberty. Your vision is kin to a burglar invading your home and then telling you that you have no right to not only prevent them from taking your possessions, but also you have no right to keep them from moving into your home and taking possession of it as well. That in a nutshell is the essence of what globalism and it’s twin ideologies of communism and capitalism are all about. It is about power elite breaking down stable functioning societies for personal profit to create a dumbed down, fracture population with no cultural ties to one another but consumerism or as “world workers”. Liberty is not attained by global exploitation, but by people standing up with their neighbors and willing themselves to be free to exhibit their own self determination. Global liberty is only possible when people respect one another and their differences and rights to retain their uniqueness. Not by smashing borders and following the Soviet “New Man” ideology. So take your poison somewhere else serpent.
the only “sovereignty” that has ever mattered is personal sovereignty, the rest is illusion. saying you believe in freedom in one breath and then saying that freedom is only available for the few in the next breath is a contradictory point of view at best. imaginary lines on a map are there as a way to divide and control us. people deserve to be free no matter what culture or geographic piece of land they come from, all that is required is a desire to be left alone and to conduct their lives on a voluntary basis. no one is free until everyone is free!
Snakeman:
Sorry, I wish I could agree, but reality takes precedence over idealism. In a world without the NWO, you might have a valid point, but as long as global elitism is a major factor in governmental determinism, the most we can hope for is to retain freedom in at least one section of the planet, a section drawn by borders.
Personal sovereignty is defended by the individual but must also be promoted and protected by society as a whole. The problem is that some societies refuse to do this, and societies arise from inherent cultural qualities that often take decades or centuries to develop. We only have partial control of these qualities and cannot change them at will. Nation states are necessary as checks against the total domination of overtly collectivist societies, at least until the NWO is no longer a threat, and maybe even after they are gone.
Also, this idea that America should take on responsibility for the personal sovereignty of every illegal immigrant that happens to come along is pure naivety. You claim that borders don’t matter, and yet hold outlandish expectations that anyone who enters OUR borders must be coddled like a newborn. Yes, everyone deserves to be free, but it is not our responsibility as a country to provide freedom for EVERYONE. Lets be realistic.
If citizens of Mexico, for instance, are tired of the feudalism and centralization that is now rampant in their country, then they should DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Not run to this country. Just as we should solve our own problems in America, instead of running somewhere else. Again, erasing borders solves nothing, and it never will. In fact, it would only allow for more centralization of power into the hands of the wrong people, and create even more problems in the long run. Its nice to be starry eyed and dream of some Utopian tomorrow, but eventually the truth must ground us, or knock us right over if we are not careful.
Everyone will be free when EVERYONE is willing to fight for that freedom, and not a moment sooner. Open borders are the last thing that would help.
i see the indoctrination center run by the state called public school has had the desired effect upon you. you speak in collectivist terms when you say “us” and “them” when referring to different nationalities. as if there is something special about the people on your patch of land. and if you think that you are not already being ruled by a overtly collectivist gang of thugs, then you haven’t been paying close enough attention, the reason that people are coming is because the collectivist “welfare state” will treat them better than where they are. the NWO has already taken America and have controlled it since the banker take-over in 1913. and i wonder what you mean by “fighting for freedom”? does that mean you have to show you have the capacity for violence before you are eligible in your sphere? i think that uplifting your whole life and taking a perilous journey along very dangerous and deadly routes is enough to show that someone is willing to “fight” to be free. there is a good program going on in New Hampshire called “the free state project” where i see hope of a “community” of like minded people breaking free from the tyranny of the state.
A very good article. One of my daughters was driving home from work the other night when she was stopped by a state trooper. He checked her license and insurance. He stood behind the car looking at her numerous bumper stickers. Two in particular sport the messages “Live Free or Die” and (911 was an inside job). The “trooper”, and I use that term loosely, and after detaining her with no doubt background checks for 30 min.; he returns to the car and hands her ID and papers back. He then tells her”Let this be a final warning.” “People who have those bumper stickers on their cars are affiliated with militias.” It is rolling right up on us folks and no one seems to give a flying leap. My daughter wouldn’t know one end of a gun from the other. And this sorry excuse for a police officer doesn’t even have the brain case capacity to think for himself. Be afraid people. When ignorance and stupidity rule, persecution is right around the corner.
I am a writer of 39 books. Fortunately none of them are political in nature. I try to avoid politics as much as possible and stick with other subjects or romantic fiction and sci-fi. But I fear the midnight knock on the door and I know that we have a huge number of ‘camps’- for what, I am not certain. But if they are built,sure bet they will be used. Most of my friends are leaving the country. I can’t. I have kids, grandkids, and great-grandkids-and I fear for them. We haven’t been a free nation since Bush I!
Wow,
How did this very article turn from inspiring to Great Grandmothers fearing for there 3 Generations.
This country was built on something greater than fear. Please Gio, say something here.
Oh, Cat how about taking a look at C.S. Lewis Trilogy, and the horrid conspiracy in the last book and see how that turned out?
Fear Divides
Love Unites
Snakeman:
By fighting for freedom, I mean all that that entails, from spreading information to defense against despotism if necessary. The fact that people come to this country from Mexico shows that they are desperate for change, which is good, but the fact that it is so easy (and it is very easy) for them to run away means that change will never occur in their own country.
You also seem to misunderstand my position. I am against OVERT collectivism, as I stated in my last post. Collectivism itself is an inherent part of the human psyche, and so is individualism. The point is to BALANCE the two in a “Collective of Individuals”, not allow one or the other to dominate culture, which is essentially what you are promoting.
Nations help to keep in check the formation of global collectivism and centralization; the NWO. They might control the political leadership of this country, but you greatly overestimate their position. They still have to dissolve the Constitution AND make people accept it, which will take a lot more than Patriot Act Legislation. It would literally take a war to accomplish.
Globalization and the erasure of borders only makes world-wide tyranny more possible. To voluntarily support border dissolution is suicide, plain and simple. Also, as I explained quite clearly in the article, illegal immigration is being used as a weapon against the American economy by the Elites. Its sad, but its also a fact. For decades we’ve heard the argument that America is “the richest nation on Earth” and we can afford to take everyone under our wing. Actually, we are the most indebted nation on Earth, and we can’t even afford to help the people who were born here.
Again, you say borders don’t matter, but then place special rules on OUR borders. No one would expect Mexico to blindly allow illegal immigration. Why do you expect us to? Also, if borders are meaningless, and the NWO already has as much control as you assume, then how does it help immigrants to sneak over here? Are they not walking into the same mess they are running away from, if not making it worse? Do you not see the contradictions and logical fallacies in your argument?
If someone wants to come here, then they should do so through legal channels, not in mass migrations that help throw the economy off its axis, and set the precedent for the deconstruction of national sovereignty. It is a lot easier to effect change one nation at a time than to fight organized, centralized world fascism. Practicality and necessity overrule shaky Utopian idealism every time.
Wishgranted:
I’m not sure I understand the question. Could you elaborate?
Wishgranted:
Ok, I didn’t notice the question you posted towards the top comments.
I guess it depends on each individual. The truth is frightening to some, liberating for others. I realize that the information we present here can be disturbing, but we cannot allow that fact to stop us from reporting it. Its really up to each person how they process it and react to it.
Sometimes the solutions are not as clearly defined as we might like. I can offer very little in specifics beyond what I already have; continue pursuing self awareness, encourage the self awareness in others, and watch ever vigilant for disinformation. It may not seem like much of a strategy, but look at the progress the movement has made so far. If you have been involved in these matters for many years, as I have, you have noticed the snowballing growth we have recently had. Its quite incredible really. The strategy works. Lets stick to it, and turn fear into defiance.
Yea I am back, what can i say i love debates. Kinda like a big transfer of ideas for a better loving cause. Thinking the problems through so we don’t end up with them, or if we do we all ready know how to work through the problems. I have to say why cant we just sit down and say hey we all got problems.
Arm chair Revolutionary’s! I know someone america was founded on that can fix these problems. Its not like are money has printed on it “IN GOD WE TRUST”. Nice Giordano “The strategy works. Lets stick to it, and turn fear into defiance.” Fear is basically hate of unknown…
“a distressing emotion aroused by impending danger, evil, pain, etc., whether the threat is real or imagined; the feeling or condition of being afraid.” Faith Hope and Love can combat fear btw LOL.
Gio, the de-programming from the state’s indoctrination has been a long and enlightening experience. and i have come to realize that the only way for people to truly be free is to allow everyone to be free. short of that no-one will ever be free, it will be only illusion. in a free and voluntary society, people would have to bring something to the table by moving someplace new because there would be no welfare system for them to suck off of. and the free people of society would form militia groups similar to Switzerland to protect from invasion. the only borders that need to be respected are the borders of someones private property in which each free person could make their own rules.
NPR actually did a good piece on the Michigan Militias a couple of days ago. It actually sounded like it was trying to humanize them and say its not all these Hutaree people, dont know if they were guilty or not, are not the same.
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snakeman:
I can appreciate the passion in your idealistic longing for global freedom and prosperity, but unfortunately there is no system in place or even proposed to protect private property as you have stated. Erasing sovereign borders only makes the destruction/abolition of private property that much easier for the globalists–as the proposed globalist system is overtly dictatorial and collectivist.
How can you not see the logical fallacies in your “freedom for everyone” argument? Without national borders and their associated political/sociological establishments, how are we as a global “society” supposed to attain freedom?
The imaginary lines you speak of represent the differences in political philosophies that govern the civil and economic status of given populations. There is much history behind many of these borders. Much blood was spilled to guarantee that for a brief period in history a population (within BORDERS) was guaranteed a very significant degree of civil and economic liberty. You claim to be enlightened and free from conditioning, so you must be aware of the fight that necessary to gain even a sliver of freedom. Can you name one time in history when people just wanted to be free and it happened? Without a global system in place to protect civil liberties and private property, then what is to stop a rampant geopolitical tyranny from enslaving the global population?
You must recognize that we can only conquer the issue of global freedom after we ensure true freedom at a national and local level–something that you and I will surely agree we have yet to attain. Allowing unchecked illegal immigration only serves to lower this semi-free nation deeper into the grip of the globalists. This just so happens to be the OPPOSITE direction of your ideological “Free World.”
To All,
If you have friends or family that do not understand your perseverance or passion for expressing the truth as you see it:
Ask them to watch the movie, REMAINS OF THE DAY, with Anthony Hopkins.
It shows a man who quietly stands by while a “peace at any cost with Germany” unfolds in front of his face. Even though he was in a position many times to express himself with top Government and Political figures, he is silent.
He claims fear of violating his position or ignorance, but in this movie: Ignorance is NOT Bliss.
The rest of the movie shows the consequence of his reserved choice.
Hope this helps.
Fear Divides, Love Unites.
Gio,
Possible SOLUTION?
Define terrorism by the actions instead of the words.
Use the definitions respected by The leading governments and their experts.
Wasn’t it Lenin who said, “confuse the language to confuse the people, and keep the masses too tired to unite”?
Isn’t it logical that if the label of “terrorist” can be defined, then people can simple say I do not fit the definition.
What about using experts such as Thomas Perry Thornton, and specifically his paper:
TERROR AS A WEAPON OF POLITICAL AGITATION, used and referred to by our Government still today.
http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/cyber/docs/npgs/terror.htm#TOC
I hope this helps.
Fear Divides and weakens, Love unites and Strengthens.
Gio,
Whenever I think you’ve gone to far in your thinking and try to rationalize why you may be wrong, I can’t. Your articles read true and clear. What really bites at me is this 9/11 conspiracy stuff. I’m no great intellect, but it would seem to me thousands upon thousands of people would have to be in on this great conspiracy.Did I hallucinate two planes smashing into the towers. It was shown who the masterminds were and the participants were. Did they just make up the fact that most were from Saudi Arabia who did not refute this claim? Pictures and names were published, these people really did not exixst? Its almost impossible to fathom such a large coverup without a shred of real evidece to this very day. These Muslim people hate us and are sowing seeds of discontent in europe.Is it to hard to belive that Islam itself is bent on world domination. Could it be that in addition to the powers that be, that another even more powerful force with over a billion followers bent on converting all and leaving none is just as big a threat as this one world government? Am I buying into the MSM’s line, or should I really belive that these Arab countries really love us and these Jihad’s are all just a figmint of my imagination.
The self-proclaimed elites want everyone bickering about the illegal immigrant questions. It would not surprise me that they are behind this latest stunt by the so-called white supremacists down in LA (?) that were having some anti-immigrant march. It was in the news yesterday.
I hate to be snobby but this is all going as I predicted about 2-3 years ago. I said that they would use the illegal immigrants as the dividing “cause” and the race card…..Meanwhile, as they pick the rest of the loot off the carcass of what is left of this nation.
That is how they operate and its really obvious how things are unfolding that it is very systematic and therefore a very planned and orchestrated way to control all oppositions. Because, after all, WE ARE ALL AGAINST THEM. But they bank on us having short term memories only.
howaboutit,
The Arabs hate us. They hate us for invading there nations and the on-going cultural destruction and theft of their resources for over 100 years.
Even the FBI came out and said that 8 of these hijackers were still alive. I recall the head of FBI at that time saying so on tv. It just wasn’t covered 24/7 like most the stories you hear (which are designed to keep you distracted).
Go into the FBI website and look at the 10 most wanted. Osama Bin Laden is listed but funny thing it says nothing about the 9/11 as a reason.
Check out the one of the biggest factors of why you are confused:
Able Danger:
Able Danger was a contracted intelligence group under Lt Colonel Anthony Shaffer,and they had watched the hijackers for a year and had been reporting about them. they were ignored by the 9/11 commissions. Its a big story.
The the following is an in depth list of articles about Able Danger (the short video at the beginning is in poor quality but valuable info) :
http://www.americanpendulum.com/2010/03/able-danger-media-reports-on-911-commissions-failure-and-deception/
Here are some short videos from youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V01Ol2Nk-Tk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJvABLaMUT8&feature=PlayList&p=D0BBE2CBBD2A848A&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=14
Then the Scientific explanations of how the towers came down, from engineers, physicists, and other well educated people from the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth, a speech by Richard Gage, who is not a fantastic speaker but the information is really good:
http://www.americanpendulum.com/2010/04/richard-gage-presentation-architects-and-engineers-for-911-truth/
You should also watch Loose Change.
I am always curious as to why people believe in the official version of the events of 9/11. If you are paying close attention you will notice how vague and ridiculous there accusations are.
They figure that most people, with their hollywood mentality, cannot put the simple dots together.
Ask yourself: who benefits?
Did the Middle Eastern Muslim? Did the American people?
The only people that benefited were the big corporations: Telecoms, Military contractors, Financial.
The Political class has been able to use this to further erode the constitution and keep themselves in power.
It has been used to shut up those that would oppose wars. All they do is say we are supporting terrorists.
Two groups have stood in the way of the NWO: The Middle East Muslims and the American People.
They are busy killing two birds with one stone.
Khalid Sheik Mohammad was tortured and they used simulated drowning 163 times to get his confessions. When he speaks now, he talks like everything was artificially imposed into his brain. They will use him as a tool for appeasing the blood thirsty americans.
Just like the Corrupted roman times.
howaboutit:
All I can tell you is that there is far more than a “shred of evidence” to discredit the official story of 9/11, there is a MOUNTAIN of evidence.
Two of the most important pieces include: the fact that ground crews searching for bodies 6 weeks after the attack recorded below surface temperatures of 2800 F! The hottest burning material in those buildings should have been the jet fuel, which burns at 1200 F. Jet fuel also burns fast, immediately on impact of the plane in fact. Firefighters reported right from floors in which the initial blaze was burning, which also shows that temps were nowhere near 2800 F at the moment of collapse. So, the question is, what inside those buildings could have burned at 2800 F? According to the laws of thermodynamics, this temp is IMPOSSIBLE without a high heat material to provide fuel. Even with ample oxygen (there wasn’t), 2800 F heat is way beyond any building fire, plane or no plane. If anyone can give me an explanation for the 2800 F heat that melted steel beams fireproofed with asbestos that is scientifically plausible, then I will give up on a new independent investigation of 9/11.
Next, physicist Steven Jones along with 8 other engineers and scientists from around the world released a peer reviewed scientific analysis of dust collected from ground zero at the WTC. They found, among other things, plentiful amounts of ‘nanothermite’, a military grade demolitions material (keep in mind, one of the scientists involved in the study is an expert on nanothermite). Where did this material come from? Either the WTC just happened to have large amounts of high explosives in it, or somebody put them there to bring the buildings down. This is why we need a truly independent investigative body to look at the evidence, instead of NIST, which is a government agency.
As far as the argument that “too many people would have to be involved”. That is hypothetical. The scientific inconsistencies of the official report far overshadow such smaller questions. However, I seriously doubt it would take “thousands” of people to pull off 9/11. But what if it did? Look up the term “Compartmentalization” . The CIA uses this method as a rule to keep most of the people involved in an operation out of the loop. Only those at the very top know all the logistical details involved. One could literally have hundreds of people working on a single false flag event and they would never know it. If you don’t believe it, look up “Operation Gladio”, in which a whole slew of false flag attacks were used on innocent European citizens and blamed on “terrorists”. Gladio has been ADMITTED to by numerous European officials, years after the fact of course.
For more information on 9/11 that you will never hear the MSM talk about, check out Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth here:
http://cms.ae911truth.org/
They now have a membership of 1180 professional Architects and Engineers who support a new investigation of 9/11.
Geo,
Thank you for taking the time to answer my question.
i wonder how much more freedom you are willing to give up to stop the illegal immigrants? and a fence won’t do as the 2nd biggest population of illegals is Chinese. the immigrants will stop coming when the tyranny and oppression in the U.S. is worse than where they come from, and that’s not far off.
Gio, dug the article, but I’m with the snakeman and the starry-eyed idealist cynics on immigration, which I think we all agree would be a nonissue in the absence of the welfare/warfare state. While I grok the NAU shiz and recognize your position on this issue to be pragmatic, that slope is SLIPPERY, yo! Popping folks just trying to split the fire for the frying pan may or may not (I’m inclined to think not) throw a kink into the consolidation of continental/global control but does, in a very concrete way, abrogate the rights of free and sovereign human beings, irrespective of their legal/citizenship status. For me, what’s inimical to liberty aqui is so a few feet/miles/parsecs over yonder.
WishGranted – Props on the Space Trilogy reference.
All the love to my minarchist homies and falis to the N.I.C.E.
quietdown:
I think the point I am trying to make is that one does not achieve personal liberty by running those “few feet over yonder” to the United States, especially when you do it illegally. Being used as a pawn in a globalist scheme along with millions of others to destabilize a region is not my idea of freedom, and it shouldn’t be anyone else’s either. Again, open borders solves nothing as long as the Global Elite exist. Snakeman maintains that liberty does not come from lines in the sand, yet seems to think that anyone who sneaks over OUR “lines in the sand” will somehow be free. Its a wildly irrational contradiction.
Mexican citizens should be trying to run the elites out of their country, instead of running away from them. Otherwise, nothing changes.
After living over in Europe for so long. I think America needs to celebrate Ancester Day.
In those days the trip across the ocean was a serious life and death situaiton.
Did they leave because they wanted to get away from the elitist of the time or just because they wanted a better life? Or both?
I have met some that want to go to the USA just to have better busniss opportunities and others that really want have a chance to live life in a more free way than where they are right now.
It would be great if just the freedom seekers came over, but has it ever been that way?
I don’t know if you have ever spent any time in oppressed country, but your:
“Mexican citizens should be trying to run the elites out of their country, instead of running away from them. Otherwise, nothing changes.”
Is alot easier said than done, when you are surrounded by those who want you queited for disturbing their submission.
Maybe an article on the best way to allow the real freedom seekers/benefiters to immigrate would be helpful.
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What is really sad is that sheeple do not realize that there are more of us than of them in government. That includes the police and armed forces.
If we actually banded together and said ENOUGH! we would be able to take our country back.
just checked out bobs recommended website subverted nation that’s got to be one of the most vile sites I’ve ever visited, shame on anyone who believes that trash, yes there are jews amoung the elite but most jewish people have families just like the rest of us, smells and sounds like the Nazis all over again sounds like they can’t wait to start the slaughter only this time it’ll be a lot of americans going to the camps.